I have come across someone who is a blind user with programs to be able to be online but cannot use isketch due to the flash or whatever that is involved....
Can't isketch be made where the social rooms are easy for blind users to use? I feel that it should be available to ALL people and not leaving anyone out. i think there could be a way where the social rooms are seperate from the game rooms and have the social part just simple chat devices... none of that flash stuff or whatever makes the programs for blind users unable to hear what they need to in order to get on. Any music drowns out the text being told to them. Thats my opinion and idea, is there any others who sat and thought about this that feel like i do? I never had till i started talking to blind users and if i was a blind user i would feel left out as well.

I saw this and was wondering, "How many points would a blind user be able to get in iSketch, if they can't see to guess the pictures?"

Then I realised what lilvoices was on about. iSketch is a flash software based programme and therefore cannot be accessed without it, so maybe the blind folks would just be better off not using iSketch.

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I have no idea how the software works but with regard to the music, there wouldn't be any in a social room and any pinking noises, joining room noises etc, can be turned off if they're a problem. Or is it that the flash won't work with the software in general?

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iSketch is based on Adobe Shockwave, which can support Text-to-speech accessibilty:

http://www.adobe.com/macromedia/acce...ures/director/

Whether iSketch chat rooms use this functionality is another matter, though

Bad_Manner$, yes that would be the simpliest solution of all, but how would you like to be blind and not be able to try something out that has something you might enjoy and could do if only some thing was changed just enough that it could happen? And no i don't hear voices.
Facey, my friend can't turn them off for the fact he can't even figure out how to log on. It tells him isketch and then the things at the bottom, so he can't just go into settings and turn the sound off on isketch.
sense/net, thanks for that link. He checked it out and thinks its for someone who is designing a website, not for what he needs.

Being blinded is one of my worst fears... I've taken a few knocks to the head so far (yes yes... that explains everything. yadayadayada.. :P) had cysts in my eyes, and even managed to get scratches on my eyeballs (don't ask) and the vision impairment was terrifying.

I don't see, however, what a blind user could get from iSketch... if its just the chat rooms, there are a gazillion of them about. Or they could join the forum and get the low down on all the goings on from the most loveliest of isketch players ;)

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Sure but lets get realistic about it. If there's something that you'd like to do, but there are obvious limitations then of course you'd be unhappy, but if there are no soultions, then there are no solutions. Its not that I don't gve a flying ♥♥♥♥ about blind people, my dad is almost blind and he has no desire to play isketch, drive a car, ride a motorcycle...... Well maybe he does but he realises there are limitations and some things he just can't do.

I have a very good friend who is a quadriplegic and he can use his computer - but play iSketch? His limitations are obvious too. And if he wants chat rooms, there are (as Ches says) gazillions of them suited to his interests and they don't require flash player. We talked about this last week and he said iSketch is just not for him - not interested in chatting with immature teens (or immature adults like some of us... well me anyway).

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I read this thread with some amusement from BM's posts. I actually agree with him!

Being ignorant as I am, can your friend (if the programme was accessible) guess the pictures? I'm guessing not because not even some brilliant programme could describe my drawings!

So I would suggest to your friend to find a decent chatroom - perhaps there are ones that blind people use already and he could chat about things they have in common. Sorry if I/we sound unsympathetic but it really is a fact of life that there will be some things that aren't possible for some. I mean, I'd love to run a marathon, if only they'd shorten the distance to 26 metres!

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I feel the need to emphasize this. You may think that we're being unsympathetic but I can assure you that we're not that kind of group. I get the feeling that you may feel that we are being (correct me if I'm wrong). Please don't feel that we are x
There are people here who have disabilities and fully understand what it's like to not be able to access certain things. I'm one of them. But it is maybe something that you have to draw a line in the sand over.

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Piggie, the original poster wasn't saying that the blind guy wanted to play - just to take part in the social aspect.

Anyways, I agree with the others. It sounds harsh maybe, but there really are lots of other chatrooms that blind people can access. There is nothing special about the iSketch ones!

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how could a blind person see a drawing??

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I think the poster was talking about just the chat rooms, Amandi hon xxx

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I spend a lot of time in chat and often have difficulty understanding the gibberish many players type in there so I doubt any program would cope with it to be honest.

All lilvoices is trying to say is they should make a link that is all HTML for blind users because me and her know a few that would enjoy coming here to try it. :)

Correction, They need to make a seperate page for blind users to chat that doesnt use flash just html

How much time and/or money, though, would it take to set up a system like the ones mentioned? And how many blind people actually USE iSketch? Or would want to? It seems like a lot of effort for only a few people. Not to mention, they wouldn't be able to play, just use the chat room. I understand why some people would want to use the chat, if their friends regularly use it... but there are lots of other options besides iSketch.

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Hmm... How to start this is going to be hard without my temper getting the best of me. A lot has been said on the harsh end to lilvoices but I'm hear on her defense. I agree with you lilvoices because it would be nice to have blind, hearing impaired, blah blah blah.

For those who may have a friend or family member or even be disabled yourself should not have put down someone who was trying to help someone to come to a network that cannot. I mean what if this person has friends that are from iSketch and would like to join them in a room but can't because his computer cannot detect how to sign in?

Those who went against her and said it's not for the blind because he/she cannot see what was being drawn, "Well NO FLYING FOWL" that isn't what lilvoices was asking about. lilvoices was asking for a friend who is blind join her in a SOCIAL room. Yes, there are chats all over the internet. I just think most of you need to get a heart.

Of course if this gets deleted and I loose my account I don't care b/c it's not worth it. You all are nothing but immature and deserve what is coming too you.

Go play in the mud to all of you, who can't see lilvoices was caring about someone different!!!!

You take things far too personally...

No one attacked lilvoices in any way. People are allowed to disagree with things - that's what creates debate and makes discussion interesting.

Your post is an attack on every member who has posted here and completely unacceptable. It is a shame that your immaturity has caused you to resort to swearing and insults and incoherent rambling instead of building a convincing argument.

If it is purely for the chat and not to play games, and if everyone is friends, why not go to another chat room that is already coded with the translation software or use an html chat room? It would be a far more efficient way than asking someone to recode an entire site for a part which is not the primary function of the game.

It seems your temper did indeed get the better of you.

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Look all juni and lilvoices want is a change so blind users can use isketch dont yell at them

Ladies i support you 100%

okay. i'm extremely confused now.

where on earth did any of us yell?

and Juni, i don't see any evidence of rudeness, or anything that would warrant what you posted. go see post #9. we're really just a bunch of nice people.

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Yes, I allowed my temper to get the best of me. It was wrong of me and I'm sorry to those I have hurt but i read those who were against as laughing at her and thought it was a silly idea. Yes, I know others have different opinions and ideas but if this is such a friendly chat I figured some could have not stated "how does a blind person see someone drawing?" I mean it kinda made her statement sound stupid or something. And I make websites and I know it can be a bit of a pain to make things different but would it be that much more work for it to be in html or whatever blind ppl to use iSketch? I mean you do want as many to be welcomed aren't I correct? It's not just all about drawing, it is also for a place to meet other people and you don't always come across the ppl that are on iSketch on other parts of the internet...

Are you using a shared computer, Juni?

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no she's not, but she has the same ip as i do... we live in the same house. Different computers.

The members on this forum were just stating an opinion... i think that most of us would not opposevthe idea of blind users on iSketch, just that it primarily is a game site and the game aspect uses drawings, most of the people that use iSketch play the game, although there are some chat rats.. i do not believe anyone was trying to be mean or rude, but try suggesting this to feedback.. see if they give you any different opinions, as i have said in other threads this forum is a place for people that like to play iSketch get together and share opinions and ideas, it's rather a fun place to be if you let it

And welcome to the three of you, lilvoices, juni, and rob_west

Since it is apparent that Isketch is not interested in making things better for the impared! It is visible to see this in all of your words and are quick to just say go else where! Just stop and think about how easy it truely is to loose thought of anoughter person and just think on it! Why no any three day old idiot would know a blind user can not see flash for 1. The thought just the thought of setting a room for them would be truely amazing so blind users dont have to feel like live stock and hearded else where for 2! But least of all It is amazing to see how places like this will never be larger than mIRC really think about it when you push away the thought of even trying to set it active for all! Thank you have a nice day! Anarchist since for some reaqson I could not register at your place so I will see myself like the blind users are off else where! I mean I hope there to be no offense by my words here!

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Anarchy is a word that comes from the Greek, and signifies, strictly speaking, "without government": the state of a people without any constituted authority.

You do realise we have no power over the iSketch site, right? People were just giving opinions and some, shock horror, disagreed with the proposition.

No need for everyone to come to the forum mob handed to say the same thing again and again. You like the idea. Some other people like the idea. Some other people dislike the idea. That's life. Deal with it.

Notice that this forum is html and blind users, like anyone else, are welcome to join.

I'm trying to decipher this... I assume that you know that iSketch has been around for years... I also assume you know that it is primarily designed as a pictionary game. I doubt very much the site designer anticipated a large influx of blind players. I also doubt that at iSketch's inception the ability for flash to have the necessary translation was available.

Mail feedback and get an official response, and respect the opinions of other members on this site.

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