Blitz! Tournament :twisted: - it's ON!!

Thurs 31 July 1:00pm (Aus UTC+10) = Thur 4am (UK UTC +1) , Wed 11pm (Canada/US UTC-4) and Wed 8pm (US UTC-7)

If you know anyone else who is interested - please let them know - as it is a one-off preliminary, people can elect to be involved right up until the start.
If you are competing - please make sure you are familiar with the rules and structure as outlined below.


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This is an individual tournament.

Room Parameters are as for Blitz – that is, the round stops once the word has been found. However, ‘time’ will be extended to 100 to allow more time to draw.

How it will work:
The tourny will consist of a preliminary round in which there is no limit to the number of players. The top 5 scorers from the preliminary round will contest the Final.

Preliminary Round:
4 games will be played in this round. Each player will play all 4 games and all players will play at the same time. The games will be played one after the other with a short break to calculate scores, and to allow players to ‘practice’ the next word list.

Wordlist:
The word list will be different for each of the four games:
Game 1: UK Easy
Game 2: UK Basic
Game 3: US Easy
Game 4: US Basic

Each player will draw once in each game. The total number of rounds in the game will equal the total number of players in the tournament.

Final:
The top 5 players will contest the Final.

The Final will consist of 4 games, one of each of the 4 word lists, played one after the other (with short breaks to tally scores etc).

Each player will draw twice in each game of the Final.

Scoring:

The actual scores from each game will be added together to form the final score for each player.

Where there is a tie

Where there is tie to get into the final - the person with the higher placing across the preliminary round will go through.

Eg: Players A and B tie for 5th place:

Player A UK Easy (1st) UK Basic (2nd) US Easy (2nd) US Basic (1st) - total rank = 6
Player B UK Easy (2nd) UK Basic (1st) US Easy (2nd) US Basic (2nd) - total rank = 7

Player A would go through as they have a better ranking overall.

If this does not break the tie, the person with the higher ranking in Game 1 (UK Easy) will go through. (continue to Game 2 etc until tie is broken).

Other rules:

No SKIPPING – you must attempt to draw your word. If you breach this rule, your final score for that game will be reduced by 10 points, and the total number of rounds in that game will be reduced by 1 so that no-one gets a second draw advantage.
No pressing DONE. (Edit: Heh - once the word is found, there is no DONE option in Blitz! anyway.... :embarrassed:)
You may HINT.

So what do I do now?

Send me a PM to say you are interested in playing – either on this forum or on iSketch. Tell anyone you think might be interested and does not necessarily visit the forum to do the same. Once I have enough players, I can attempt to sort out the most convenient time for everyone involved.

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Original Post:

Tourny anyone?

I have some ideas, and am happy to run one, if enough people are interested

:biggrin:

Edit/Update - I have been tossing around a few ideas for tournies since Dean ran the last one and have some that I think would be interesting…..I’ll give 3 options (just briefly described here to give you a general idea - I will post more detail on the chosen one once decided) and see which one generates the most interest.

1. Blitz! Tournament (individual) – 4 games, each with a different word list (UK Easy, US Easy, UK Basic and US Basic), but round ends after the word has been found, like in Blitz! Top 5 scorers play off in a final.


2. Surprise Tournament (individual) – 5 games, each with a different word list. Word List 1 is UK Easy, but the other 4 word lists will not be revealed until after each subsequent game. :twisted:


3. Specialty Tournament (team) – Teams of 3 people with 2 team members representing their team in each game. 4 games with word lists taken from specialty rooms (eg phrases, movies – these would be decided prior to tourny and each team would nominate preferences). Can be played in heats and/or finals depending on amount of interest.

Let me know which one tickles your collective fancies
:biggrin:

I'm game :razz:

I'm watching TF being game! :razz:

I probably won't be able to play. Too busy. But I know quite a few people have recently been asking if there was going to be another tourney.. so good job! :)

Oh! Maybe, baby - I'd like to hear your ideas!

ready to help you out saff:P

I'll arrange the mascots . . . . I have Cameron Ling and Frasier Gehrig lined up :biggrin:

I'm afraid I won't be able to make this one. Though all the best in organizing it!

:O storm......I haven't even set a date!!
I know I know, its the thought of Cameron Ling (http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8572/camerongj6.jpg)and Fraser Gehrig (http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/269/fraseroo3.jpg)that has scared you off, no? :cry:
How about if we invite Alistair Lynch (http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1219/alastairlynchih9.jpg)instead :biggrin:

the pink pig and the g train seem to be injured -retired, is that why they are available?

Loool.

*thinks* Can you get this man (http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/specials/sma06/sma_gallery/george_clooney400.jpg) too?

The thing is, I can't give you my word for any date/time until after September 20th. Presumably, the tourny will be over by then ;(

What kind of tourney will it be??

Yeah, what sort of a tournament is it gonna be?

I was thinking of an admin vs best players tournament. We can play it in 'The Weakest Link' format. We must have an invisible admin who'll boot the weakest link after every game, one by one. Then the last man standing, admin or normal player, wins! Howzzat?

Can't wait... Hurry up Saffron!

All za best! :p

ILoveMaths07.

nice idea mathseh(:
but i'll still prefer playing by teams.
i've been waiting for this day as weeeeeeell :D

Yeah, but there must be this 'Weakest Link' thing to make it more exciting :P

Lol.. personally.. I think the weakest link thing would make it quite boring - if you're saying that the weakest player at the end of each round gets booted out. Because the other players wouldn't get to see the action in the room (that sounds terribly awful!).

That'll be boring when you get down to the last few left in the room :P

But.. if you changed your idea only slightly.. by having 10 rounds for example, and turning the 'weakest link' on 'away' mode at the end of each round.. then that could work. At least then everyone still gets to see what's going on :)

Hmm... Not a bad idea... Yeah, I think that's nicer... Booting would be fun too, but I totally agree with you. I'll be going 4 holiday on Aug 2, so it would be great if Saffron gets this done well b4 tht... HURRY UP SAFF!!!

weakest link? id like to see something like that, etc 10 players, bottom 2 drop out, and a new couple come in for the next round, more of a continuous thing though.

That sounds more like a Royal Rumble than the Weakest Link :eek:

haha..yeh that crossed my mind too(being a royal rumble). but I stuck with weakest link..same sort of concept..

(hi saff!)
i'm interested!

has anyone decided on a date? cause this is a tourny i so wanna see (even if i have to be quiet.)

Geeze woman, give her a chance.

She only just suggested it!

lol fineeee XD sorry saff, didnt mean to rush you guys :P XD this will be a pretty amazing tourny anyways <3

Illl watch(:
but...
(NH & Katie told me they want to be in the tourny) ;P

lol you don't even know what the tournament(s) are/is about yet jenni!

oh w/e dean, the tournys are always fun to watch XD specially when im pming someone bout everything going on :P

I'm sure I was gettin Pm'ed constantly by Gracie when the Double Trouble Dash Tourney was on. I was in that one aswell!

I'll join.

Oh cool, people interested :biggrin:

ready to help you out saff:P
Great, thanks :smile:
I was thinking of an admin vs best players tournament. We can play it in 'The Weakest Link' format. We must have an invisible admin who'll boot the weakest link after every game, one by one. Then the last man standing, admin or normal player, wins!


This idea has some merit….might think about how that would go for a later one. As for now, I have edited the original post in this thread with some ideas. Post your thoughts and let's get the ball rolling.

Blitz might be OK. Specialty might be really hard because I don't know many movies on iSketch's Movies wordlist... or Science or Famous Faces, etc. etc. I think I understand the idea of individual-style tournaments, but someone will have to explain to me how team tournaments work in iSketch.

Will everybody be in the same room at the same time for the tournament?

times have usually been the hardest to organise. as the best universal time, still usually doesnt quite work out for enough people. I like the idea of teams, the amount of subs should be higher to cover both the varied timezones and players unable to turn up.

...I think I understand the idea of individual-style tournaments, but someone will have to explain to me how team tournaments work in iSketch.

Will everybody be in the same room at the same time for the tournament?

Yeah, everyone is in the same room. In team tournaments, all the members of a team play at the same time. You just /team teamname in the tournament room (which will be UC), and play normally. The team with the highest score moves onto the next round.

I think Saffron's Speciality tournament idea needs only two members of the three members in a team to be present for a game. This would help cover unexpected drop outs for whatever reason, in team tournaments, and allow people to arrange within their teams who's going to play which game.

Previously, when we had team tournaments, since we didn't have this idea of substitutes, either the team dropped out of the tournament because one member of the team of two could not play, or some random person took up the empty space. With Saffron's idea, teams can now plan covers.

So, no matter what, each team in the end -- assuming someone drops out -- will end up with only two teammates per team?

It wouldn't be fair if some end up playing with all three teammates and others with only two.

No - from what I understand, the third teammate is a substitute. Only two from each team play. The third can watch. If Player no. 2 who is scheduled to play a game falls sick or can't get on isk or whatever, then the third team mate plays. You can choose who's going to be the sub in your team and the sub doesn't have to be the same person for all the games. Hope that makes it clear.

You just /join teamname in the tournament room (which will be UC), and play normally.

/team plz.

/join is for joining rooms.

Learn your commands, silly storm.


1. Blitz! Tournament (individual) – 4 games, each with a different word list (UK Easy, US Easy, UK Basic and US Basic), but round ends after the word has been found, like in Blitz! Top 5 scorers play off in a final.


I don't like Blitz! in tournaments because of the large differences you can get when comparing scores between different heats.

http://www.isketchforum.net/isketch-tournament-t1467.html?p=82358&21#post82358

(NH & Katie told me they want to be in the tourny) ;P

/me did not say this.

It wouldn't be fair if some end up playing with all three teammates and others with only two.

No - from what I understand, the third teammate is a substitute. Only two from each team play. The third can watch. If Player no. 2 who is scheduled to play a game falls sick or can't get on isk or whatever, then the third team mate plays. You can choose who's going to be the sub in your team and the sub doesn't have to be the same person for all the games. Hope that makes it clear.

Yep, sketches, what storm said. The team would consist of 3 players, but only 2 play in any one game. This is to cover the reasons storm has given, but also for specialty wordlists, you can pick the two team members who are best for that particular wordlist.

Just on that, if it is the team tourny that goes ahead, I would ask each team to nominate 3 wordlists, and we would run with the most popular choices, trying to ensure that at least one of every teams choses wordlists was included




I don't like Blitz! in tournaments because of the large differences you can get when comparing scores between different heats.


Good point, but I think it can be worked around by using a points system for winning, rather than cumulative scores. For example if you gave 5 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd, 3 for 3rd, 2 for 4th and then 1 for everyone else who played then regardless of whether you win by 80 you still only get 5 points.


* NoHints;131661 did not say this.
It's ok, I won't be entering anyone who doesn't tell me directly they want to take part :smile:

Am I getting the feeling that the team one is more interesting? Personally I'm excited about Blitz! - I think the combined pressure of Blitz! in a tourny would be great - might have to see if I can work a Blitz! round into the team tourny somehow ......:twisted:

I know I'm not in this tourny...buuut...

My vote would've gone for Blitz! too. It'd be incredibly tense and everyone would be a nervous wreck :twisted:

Just on the scoring system for Blitz! though... in Blitz there tends to be a lot more ties with bigger discrepencies between the scores, because usually 1 or 2 people pwn and the rest trail behind... so, the scoring by position on score table idea would kind of work, but lots of people would be getting identical totals, and then what happens if lots of people have a tie? Am I making sense? lol.

OK, let me try again...

Basically, say you have 10 people, and 1 person is really good and gets all the words - they're going to get 100 points, 1 person is going to get 20, and the other 8 are going to get 10 each (hope I did the math right). So with the scoring system you're proposing, 1 person will get 5 points, 1 person will get 4, and everyone else will get 3. If you get another group of players to play Blitz! and they end up with 1 dominant player as well, then they're going to have the same score patten. Then it becomes really difficult to decide who should go into round 2, and if you let everyone (in this example) go into round 2, there will be too many people to manage and co-ordinate...

Hope that made sense... It's almost 2 a.m. _._

Edit 2: But I see it working as the style for 1 round, if the other rounds have a normal scoring style (everyone getting points for guessing the word)

Yes you make total sense - Any ties - the points would be added together and divided by the number of people who tie.

Eg
Player 1 – 50 – 5 points
Player 2 – 40 – 2.7 points - ie (4+3+2)/3
Player 3 – 40 – 2.7 points
Player 4 – 40 – 2.7 points
Player 5 – 20 – 1 point

I think that might work?

I like the Blitz! concept.

Basically, say you have 10 people, and 1 person is really good and gets all the words - they're going to get 100 points, 1 person is going to get 20, and the other 8 are going to get 10 each (hope I did the math right). So with the scoring system you're proposing, 1 person will get 5 points, 1 person will get 4, and everyone else will get 3. If you get another group of players to play Blitz! and they end up with 1 dominant player as well, then they're going to have the same score patten. Then it becomes really difficult to decide who should go into round 2, and if you let everyone (in this example) go into round 2, there will be too many people to manage and co-ordinate...

Hope that made sense... It's almost 2 a.m. _._

Edit 2: But I see it working as the style for 1 round, if the other rounds have a normal scoring style (everyone getting points for guessing the word)

Uh....sorry, no I don't understand that - no wait, I do on second read :smile:
In your example, the person who got 100 would get 5 points, the person who got 20 would get 4 and the other 8 would get (3+2+1+1+1+1+1+1)/8 = 1.4.

I wasn't considering heats for the Blitz Tourny - everyone who was interested would all play at the same time and each draw once - so if there are 20 people interested - it would be a round of 20 draws for the UK Easy wordlist, then a round of 20 draws for the UK Basic and so on for the four games. At the end of the 4 games, the 5 players with the highest cumulative points across those 4 games will contest a final.

In the final, there would be the four games, but as there are only 5 players, each player would draw twice.

That's what I was thinking anyway....basically at the moment I want to get a feel for what type of tourny - and I see no-one is even mentioning the Surprise Wordlist one :rolleyes:

I like the Blitz! concept.
LOL spec - it would be great to see how some of the regular Blitzers go with a different word list ;)

Lol, glad that made sense, ahaa.

... In your example, the person who got 100 would get 5 points, the person who got 20 would get 4 and the other 8 would get (3+2+1+1+1+1+1+1)/8 = 1.4. ...

Isn't it the same whether they're given 3 points each or 1.4 points each? They'd still end up having the same scores...

Hang on, I've just understood how they go onto the next 'round', and well, if there are only 2 "rounds", so to speak (as in there's only 1 elimination), then I think, yeah, it might work - although I'm still seeing ties...

It wouldn't matter if it was just one game, but over a number of games, it might make a difference.

If you're going to do it with no heats and always have games with everyone in them, then the normal scoring system would be fine. The Blitz! scores are only an issue if your comparing different groups of players, or having non Blitz! rounds included.

Also, if you're doing it that way I might join in - it's the commitment aspect of tournies that I don't want, and that method minimises that.

I do actually like the surprise wordlist idea. That would be good too.

If you're going to do it with no heats and always have games with everyone in them, then the normal scoring system would be fine. The Blitz! scores are only an issue if your comparing different groups of players, or having non Blitz! rounds included.

Um...yeh....I knew that.....*whistles* :embarrassed:

What are the prizes?

What are the prizes?

The glory of winning :biggrin:

OK, Here it is then - this time will be a Blitz! Tournament - if it works OK we can do the others soon too.

I have edited the original post with all the details.

Yay.

Im interested in joining, not sure if I will end up playing in the end, depending on the scheduling :)

What do you guys mean by "heats?"

The glory of winning :biggrin:

Yay.


that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard
Have fun... wait no... there won't be any

that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard
Have fun... wait no... there won't be any
What do you want a medal or something huh?Go back and play a room of noobs..:rolleyes:

What do you guys mean by "heats?"

Just like in athletics really, you run the heats and the winners of the heats compete in the final.

Some tournaments have heats (where different players play in each heat). This one has a preliminary round which is a little different - all players will play together in the preliminary round and the top 5 will then compete in a final.

Im interested in joining, not sure if I will end up playing in the end, depending on the scheduling :)
Yep, that will be the tough bit. I'll put your name down and contact you in a few days when I have more numbers :biggrin:

Edit: Tuesday morning: OMG Time zones :eek:

I have updated the original post (http://www.isketchforum.net/showpost.php?p=130988&postcount=1)with some times.
Anyone who expressed interest (or even if you didn't and you are interested) can you please let me know your availability.
Thanks :biggrin:

can you give me each time in Central at the one where it's only the USA? not good with any other time zone

lol @ obv australian biased times:P watch all the Americans jump on that one ngiht time match, where the europeans wont want to play that one at all:O

Aww Dean, yeh....I had to start with times that I could do :P
And look - I even added another time, prepared to sacrifice my Sunday morning sleep in............

yeh that'll work better:)

Count me in (the weakest link) :]

For UTC-4 (I'm Ohio), for now, the times I could do:

Wed 11pm
Thurs 9am
Sun 7pm (actually, I work on Sunday evenings, but if this time is chosen then I could see about taking the night off.)

I don't want to wake up for 7am or 8am times, but if any of those times become the actual date of the tournament, then I honestly wouldn't mind waking up early for iSketch. I love the game.

So in the end, any time is good for me, but the evening times are preferrable.

As Dean predicted, the most popular time (at least for the Aussies and the US people) is the first one - Thursday 31 July 1:00pm (Australian time).

I have edited the original post (http://www.isketchforum.net/showpost.php?p=130988&postcount=1)again.

the dates and time look the same to me, am i missing something?

LOL nope, sorry, I was just updating it and got distracted by Miss 5.
Try again now
:)

Hey Saff, What was the second most popular time?

2nd most popular time was:
Sun 03 Aug 9:00am (Aus UTC+10) = Sat midnight (UK UTC +1) , Sat 7pm (Canada/US UTC-4) and Sat 4pm (US UTC-7).

But at this point, there isn't enough people who can make either of the 'most popular' times for it to be interesting :sad:

D: I would wake up :\
/me pouts.

is there still going to be a tourney??

Yes there is!

The time is the one that was most popular - Australian time Thursday 31 July 1:00pm.

At the moment, only 7 people have said they can make that - there are about another 7 who originally expressed interest but haven't come back to me with availability, and a few who expressed interest, but sadly that time does not suit :sad:

I will open the room at midday as invite only and invite those who have said they would come - in the meantime.....keep spreading the word and get more people there :biggrin:

butt..hey... i cant make it on thurs to see the match :(
so saffron, im not turning up.

10 people now:) woo..

Awww sorry Plat.....
I'm thinking of doing another one in about 3 weeks to suit European times, so maybe that one you can come and cheer people on....OR PLAY! XD

10 people now:) woo..
LOL Dean :P I was just going to write that!
It's starting to get interesting................:biggrin:

14 now........XD

Ok, is this tournament going to happen tomorrow night?

I Call for a handicap!! I'll be hungover tommorow..

Ok, is this tournament going to happen tomorrow night?

Yes, the tournament is at 1:00pm Thursday 31 July - Australian Time
This is:
For UK/Europe - 4:00am Thursday 31 July
For United States - anywhere from 8:00pm - 11:00pm Wednesday 30 July.
---> If your UTC-7 (PDT) it will be 8:00pm
---> If your UTC-6 (MDT) it will be 9:00pm
---> If your UTC-5 (CDT) it will be 10:00pm
---> If your UTC-4 (EDT) it will be 11:00pm

See you there!! :biggrin:

I Call for a handicap!! I'll be hungover tommorow..
LOL - hungover and with your lag.....this tournament was MADE for you :twisted:

I will be firmly tucked up in bed at that time. Best of luck to everyone taking part :biggrin:

/me whistles innocently at Saffron's edit

AAHHHH 2MRW AT 7 IN DA MORNING? NOoooooooooooooooooo I'll have to wake up extra early and... !!

Yep :)
See ya then ;)

4am?? hahaha

Perfect time for you isn't it lemons!?!

yep, perfect time for me to stumble into the tourny room and start being really disruptive and abusive.

4am?? hahaha

Aww yeh....pretty harsh time isn't it :rolleyes: - I kind of asked for interest first, and most of the people who responded were US, so the time ended up favouring that part of the world.

But...I think it would be good to run another one 3-4 weeks that has better times for Europeans :smile:

4am? Think that confirms that I'm not joining the tournie, and yes, I am awake rather late
But I'm very blind at the moment

Thank you to everyone who participated in this tournament!! :biggrin:

The winner was:

spectre

The top 5 players who made the final were:

spectre, total of 240 points
Lisa479, total of 160 points
cowspots, total of 140 points
nateman, total of 130 points
ILoveMaths07, total of 100 points.

Well done to everyone who played!!

Edit: Oh yeh - a quick explanation about changing rooms at the start:
I forgot to /op Dean when he entered :embarrassed:....and when I accidentally clicked myself out of the room, it meant there were no ops when I came back. So I had to make the new room else we wouldn't have been able to change the word lists etc....sorry for that confusion :rolleyes:

Thanks to Saff for going through all the work of organizing!!
/clap saff

wowser spectre.
btw congrats mathsssss you're in the top 5.

Congrats to spectre for winning!!

Congrats to the rest of the top five :)

Congrats Spec! :-)

/clap Saffy for taking the time and effort to run a tourney.

Grats Lightning Fingers Spectre!!!:biggrin:

Ummm GUYS? I thought it was tonight? Not yesterday!

It's the 31st right now! :o

:( couldn't watch cause it was so late :P

but congrats to crazy spectreeeeeeeeeee :) <333333333333333 lots of hugs from me :P

When will the next tournament be? I want to know the exact date because I think the dates got mixed up for this one!

sketches, I think you are confused because the tournament DID happen on the 31st, BUT it was only the 31st in Australia. They're pretty much a day ahead of those of us who live in the U.S. and Canada, etc.

Ummm GUYS? I thought it was tonight? Not yesterday! It's the 31st right now! :o

aw sketches - I wondered why you didn't show..........

When will the next tournament be? I want to know the exact date because I think the dates got mixed up for this one!

Tourny's are held whenever somebody decides to organise one.....I'm interested in running another Blitz! one in about 3-4 weeks but the times are more likely to favour Europeans, given that this one was more US-biased (time-wise) - however that doesn't stop anyone else organising another one whenever they want! :biggrin:

Thanks, Saffron! May I suggest an early morning US time which would be sometime in the afternoon for the UK? I'm pretty sure they're about 5 or so timezones ahead of us, and I'm sure that everyone likes afternoon times!

I mean, come on -- UK tea party? :P

Okay, who gave the lemon some fizz? :razz:

Congrats, Spec! :)

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about Nerd.

What are you chatting about nerdy?

Pffft! Katie deleted her message! Now I just look stupid. Nothing new there. :razz:

Now I just look stupid.

Of course you don't look silly Nerdy.....You were (of course) referring to the fact that Katie showed up at 4.am to the tourny, so she obviously got some fizz from somewhere..........:rolleyes:

hehe ;)

What are the prizes?


Courtesy of Skibob: :razz:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7488/plaquece8.png

xDD woo!!!