View Full Version : Right, Mr. Gordon ''I'm getting on with the job'' Brown, the games up!!!
Nexus
25-07-2008, 09:13 PM
Labour MP's really need to wake up and smell the coffee like Stringer has done. Most Labour MP's have majorities less than 7000 and they will start panicing and as a result get rid of him before the electorate gets rid of them in their seats.
As a Labour supporter, this situation make me sad. The London Mayoral, Local Elections, Crewe and Nantwich, Henley and were a disaster and so was Glasgow East.
Labour supporters who do you want to see as the party's next leader?
I think David Miliband would be a great choice. He's young, fresh, intelligent and I can imagine him connecting with the 'bloke in the street'.
Also, maybe Harriet Harman. Yes, I know lots of people don't like her but at least Labour would have a sense of direction and have a core voter base i.e. women and the socially oppressed and some of the Middle England vote - whereas with Brown they've lost the Middle England vote which Blair gained in 97 and they've lost their core vote too so they're core vote is eroding at both ends. http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/forum/smilies/eek.gif
Gordon, we just can’t go on like this. Give it up, mate!!!!!!!
So, Labour voters, who do you want to see as Labour leader?
El_Nino
25-07-2008, 09:49 PM
I firmly believe that there should be a change at No. 10 and it should be time for Gordon Brown to step down, not only as PM but as a Member of Parliament.
Throughout the Blair years, it was common knowledge that Gordon Brown wanted to displace Tony Blair at the helm, which only brough unstability within the Labour camp and it also undermined Tony Blair.
As a member of a party, your main focus is to concentrate on your job at hand, rather than bickering at your boss in effect, to make him step down.
I won't deny that Gordon Brown was probably one of the best Chancellor of the exchequer, as more jobs were created and inflation and interest rates remained at a steady rate throughout his tenure, but being Chancellor and Prime Minister are two completely different roles.
There has been so much turmoil in Brown's leadership. Problems with lost discs on benefits, education marking standards, loss of DVLA records, and the list goes on.
The economy is at it's worst in a decade and no matter how much the affect from the American economy has, it is up to the Government to find measures to deal with this economic downturn.
Gordon Brown may have seemed the popular choice amongst Labour members but I too feel that it is a change in leadership.
It is time to act now rather than wait for the General Election which is likely to happen within the next 2 years. Too many mistakes have been made and they are still occuring.
David Miliband is the fresh face, has charisma and likeability, reminiscent of Tony Blair, but he must also has the ability to enforce his beliefs and ideas amongst his fellow labour backbenchers.
I do not see any other Labour member that would make me jump for joy, Harriet Harmon I don't see as the ideal replacement but I have listened to Jack Straw on many occasions and he does put up a good debate when asked questions and doesn't shy away.
I would see those Miliband and Straw as the ideal replacements but I will not havefaith in Gordon Brown and I for one, would not want to see David Cameron outside Number 10 in two years time!
I won't deny that Gordon Brown was probably one of the best Chancellor of the exchequer, as more jobs were created and inflation and interest rates remained at a steady rate throughout his tenure, but being Chancellor and Prime Minister are two completely different roles.
I have 2 questions regarding your opinion there.
Sorry if they seem argumentative in any way.
Firstly, he may have kept inflation and interest rates under control while he was in the position, but if he really had kept them under control, why were they that unstable that as soon as he moved on from his role, they rocketed out of control?
Secondly, what is the cost to the nation of the extra jobs he created? I'm sure you are fully aware that the country's current economical state is near, if not bankrupt as a result of the "crazy" spending that went on while he was in the role. Sure, I'm not against the creation of extra jobs, and again that Isn't the sole cause of the near bankrupt state but it sure as hell didn't help. Not to mention the press do push quite a lot the number of unnecessary jobs created too.
All in all, I disagree with your opinion that he was the best. To me "the best" would have left a stable economy behind. Not an economy that would rocket out of control as soon as he left the position.
Just my views.
El_Nino
26-07-2008, 02:09 PM
Lol not argumentative at all.
Under John Major's leadership, one thing that will always be remembered is Black Wednesday, when Norman Lamont, the then Chancellor of the Exchequer was involved heavily when the Conservative Government was forced to remove the pound sterling from the ERM and which cost billions to the economy.
The UK also suffered a recession in 91/92 and this is why thevoters of the UK voted for a change.
Now, Gordon Brown did have his faults during his tenure as Chancellor, but he also made positive changes for the economy.
There were positive changes under the Blair era but with all Governments, the honeymoon period only lasts so long.
Under Blair's first term, Brown made the right decisions on the economy by giving back the Bank of England it's independence and not to follow calls for the UK to join the Euro.
But I admit that Gordon Brown's 2nd and 3rd terms as Chancellor were not as effective.
Consumer debt and credit spending was and still is on the rise, as are repossession of homes and household goods.
There has been an obvious relucatance from banks to make it more difficult for consumers to apply for loans and the Government has been at fault for not being in greater dialogue with the leading banks to put into place safeguard measures for it's consumers.
The Government relies heavily on it's consumer spending but it is no secret that a lot of that has been due to borrowing and debt and we are seeing the full affects of that now, which has been caused by Brown's legacy as Chancellor.
On the issues of jobs, I have seen this as a benefit, although now, umemployment is on the rise due to the rise in inflation. It is most likely that a recession will be on it's way, if it isn't already.
Unemployment was lowering and rises in the miminum wage were introduced and more jobs were created in the public sector.
However, there were still shortages in jobs such as nursing and manual labour jobs.
The UK was one of the leading countries in World Economy but now countries such as China are producing at a faster rate and becoming more and more ecnomically productive, whilst the UK is now encountering major difficulties.
I still believe Gordon Brown has been one of the best Chancellor's that the Uk has seen as he did bring positive changes during Blair's first term, but he did leave a mess when becoming Prime Minster.
Unfortunately, he was more interested in gaining his own goals of becoming PM rather than focusing on his job at hand and Gordon Brown, along with other members of the Cabinet, did not carry on after the 2nd term.
Things have been downhill since 2001 and other factors such as the War have damaged the Government's reputation. Even though there are oil reserves in iraq, oil prices have rocketed and the cost of the War itself has gone into billions.
The Government did not strategise to deal with any potential problems and it is time for new faces and a fresh outlook.
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