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db1986
24-05-2009, 12:30 AM
Most words on iSk are quite easy to draw (especially in easy rooms) by either drawing out the words separately or by drawing the corresponding syllables. Some wordlists have some quite strange words which can be difficult to draw.

In extreme cases, a few words are somewhat difficult to draw without the use of some sexual depiction or by the use of something which can seem to be violating the rules.

Examples include the words "sexual reproduction" and "hermaphrodite" in the science room, "bisexual" (in expert I think) and also I was told that there is a word in the spanish room which can be very rude.

If there is ever a n00b in the room, these words are crying out for votes by other players and gives the n00b an excuse to draw porn.
I think these "extreme" words should be removed from their respective lists if they are part of a standard iSketch room (not UCRs).

Are there some words which you guys would define as "strange"?
What do you guys think of such extreme cases, like the ones I have mentioned?

Alessadri
24-05-2009, 12:36 AM
In Animals (Easy), words like cock, peacock, cockatoo and cockatiel always get votes for rude draws. And sometimes ass too.

And in Medicine, we generally syllabify slightly offensive words.

And Expert, I hate people(regs that too O_O) drawing rude for words like predicate etc.

Bellicimo
24-05-2009, 11:01 AM
Umm there seem to be a lot of words in expert that can be kinda drawn in a, uh yeah way... Like um Pornography, Pornographic, Erotic, Autoerotic, Cock, Tit, Boob and Arse are all words in there I think.. Plus other words like analysis and analogy always tend to end up in something not supposed to be drawnn :( but yeah, they're some of them I think, I'm sure there's loads more.

Capt_Sparrow
24-05-2009, 11:17 AM
Woah what a list of words Belli o_O

I think something needs to be changed because on the one hand the Instructions state that sexually explicit images should not be drawn and yet sexual words are on several word lists. There is a bit of subjectivity on what each person would define as explicit but to avoid confusion, I think either: (i) drawings of a sexual nature should only be allowed if it describes the meaning of the word (which I would prefer as this is a site intended for adults); or (ii) no such drawings should be allowed and sexual words should be removed from all public room wordlists (as db suggested). (ii) would be much harder to do than (i).

NoHints
24-05-2009, 02:07 PM
I don't really have a problem with these words. I don't think words with double meanings should be removed, and I definitely don't think that words with syllables which can be drawn sexually should be removed.

I also don't think that drawings of words like "bisexual" need to be even remotely sexually explicit at all. There's plenty of ways to draw that word, and similar ones.

It brings up an interesting point about people though. I find it strange that people don't mind drawings of words like "stab", "kill" or "torture" but when it comes to some harmless cartoon nudity....

Alessadri
24-05-2009, 02:16 PM
(i) drawings of a sexual nature should only be allowed if it describes the meaning of the word (ii) no such drawings should be allowed and sexual words should be removed from all public room wordlists

(i) is allowed in UC rooms. But in normal rooms, I don't think it should be allowed.

(ii) is quite impossible I guess. Because from iSk talk, thousands of seemingly harmless English words have another nasty meaning, and if they are determined to draw ugly, they will draw ugly. It'd be better this way: If you don't abstain, get kicked out.

Capt_Sparrow
24-05-2009, 03:04 PM
Because from iSk talk, thousands of seemingly harmless English words have another nasty meaning, and if they are determined to draw ugly, they will draw ugly. It'd be better this way: If you don't abstain, get kicked out.
By nasty I think you mean they can have sexual connotations, which is true and they can be interpreted in that way. But to have words like "breast", "sexual reproduction" and "arse", which have sexual meanings primarily, on the word lists and then to say that sexually explicit drawings aren't allowed is double standards. If you can't draw the words as is then they shouldn't be on the list, or you should be allowed to draw them as such; I don't have a problem with the latter.

Noobs drawing unrelated sexual images is something completely different as their intention is to draw attention to themselves rather than play the game, and that should be stopped.

storm
24-05-2009, 03:16 PM
It brings up an interesting point about people though. I find it strange that people don't mind drawings of words like "stab", "kill" or "torture" but when it comes to some harmless cartoon nudity....

I have a problem with words like stab and torture. However, I'll accept that they're in the wordlist just like sexual words are and will be treated equal to other words; even though I'd rather just have 'light-hearted' words in the wordlist.

But to have words like "breast", "sexual reproduction" and "arse", which have sexual meanings primarily, on the word lists and then to say that sexually explicit drawings aren't allowed is double standards.

I don't think the primary meaning of arse and breast is sexual. Their primary meaning is anatomy to me.

NoHints
24-05-2009, 03:22 PM
I don't think the primary meaning of arse and breast is sexual. I see them as just anatomy.

I agree.

Even if you do consider them sexual words, a drawing of either of them isn't exactly sexually explicit.

db1986
24-05-2009, 05:12 PM
I would agree that some of these words can be deemed as anatomy, such as words that come from the medicine wordlist. However this wordlist can only be used in UCRs in which case I think this should be allowed (as it is already).

I also agree that other words like "stab", "murder" and "torture" shouldn't be there for the same reasons, that they could be drawn and they could become easy targets for votes.

If one of these words does arise and the artist receives votes, the artist will say that they drew the word that was displayed and thus it could be said that the person who voted had abused their vote.

Thanks for your replies :)

storm
24-05-2009, 05:27 PM
I also agree that other words like "stab", "murder" and "torture" shouldn't be there for the same reasons, that they could be drawn and they could become easy targets for votes.

If one of these words does arise and the artist receives votes, the artist will say that they drew the word that was displayed and thus it could be said that the person who voted had abused their vote.

The iSketch rules don't say anything about refraining from drawing explicitly violent pictures though, so drawing a graphic picture like someone being stabbed in the eye with a knife isn't technically against the rules. The line that separates what's allowed from what's not (good taste vs bad taste?) appears to include explicit violence on the OK side, and sexual pics on the not-OK side, which is kind of strange to me. I think that's what NoHints was getting at.

Edit: the rules say "drawings intended to shock/confuse" are not allowed, but I've never seen anyone vote a violent draw. Violence is as subjective as sexual explicitness, but one gets cut some slack and the other doesn't.